On Sun, 8 May 2005, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Lord <lord@xxxxxxx> writes: > > Tom> All I mean is that, for higher level protocols, letting > Tom> people do what they will ("the market decides") seems to me > Tom> to be the best option. Yes, using your example, IM protocols > Tom> fragment, interop suffers, there's lots of crap --- so what? > > > I think our concern is that we have finite resources here in the IETF. > If you want a market decides standards, go set up an industry > consortium or go to a market decides standards body. The market always decides. And people will always "do what they will". If you want different standards, you can always go to another standards body. There are many to choose from. However, before the market can decide, standards must be chosen, and put forth. Standardizing what the big vendors want isn't really "standardization". That's just rubber-stamping a big vendor. Since the big vendors can create their own defacto standards without the need for rubber stamps, such groups tend not to last too long. There may indeed be improvements to the IETF process, but the fundamental ideas have worked reasonably well, and radical divergence isn't necessary. It is sign of good health that people are seeking improvements. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf