A slight mod: The best technology doesn't always win: engineers don't always solve the right problem. Sometimes I think the IETF is making the tools (a.k.a - protocols) that make the Internet run. Sometimes the market doesn't want the tool that we made, or needed a took sooner than we could produce one. John ==================== The good thing about mobile email is that t9 forces you to be brief. --- original message --- Subject: Re: improving WG operation Sender: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@xxxxxxx> Date: 05/09/2005 2:44 am >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Lord <lord@xxxxxxx> writes: Tom> All I mean is that, for higher level protocols, letting Tom> people do what they will ("the market decides") seems to me Tom> to be the best option. Yes, using your example, IM protocols Tom> fragment, interop suffers, there's lots of crap --- so what? I think our concern is that we have finite resources here in the IETF. If you want a market decides standards, go set up an industry consortium or go to a market decides standards body. The IETF works best when people bringing technologies to it buy into the idea of building rough consensus. So, if you want the market to decide, and you don't have a particularly good reason for being at the IETF, perhaps we're not the best place for you to do your work. One obvious question to ask is whether the IETF still has work to do and is still the right place for anything. My answer is simple: let the market decide;) _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf