Re: "straightforward, reasonable, and fair"

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On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 18:48 +0300, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2005, Ralph Droms wrote:
> > But, I don't see how it applies here.  I'm not claiming "Nobody was
> > smarter than anybody else."  Yakov explained it better than I have: "for
> > each AD there is more than one person in the IETF who is more
> > technically astute than that AD. So, why should the IETF decision
> > process favor opinion of such AD more than the opinion of these other
> > individual who are more astute that the AD ?"
> 
> What is the context of technical astuteness?  How do you compare 
> people with different technical focuses?  You can't.

Giving ADs a private veto (private in the sense of not discussed in
public) seems to compare technical astuteness and assign more weight to
ADs.  I suggest public discussion avoids giving ADs' technical
astuteness undue weight.

> If an AD raises an issue about a document (from area X) that it 
> conflicts or causes serious problems (from the perspective of area Y), 
> how do you ensure that the more technically astute people 
> (particularly on Y but also a bit on X) participate in the discussion?

By making the discussion public...

> The key point here is that the AD from area Y might be much more 
> technically astute about that area than anyone in the WG producing a 
> document.

So might any number of other IETF members...

> Are you proposing that the IETF list is turned into generic discussion 
> board for all the documents, generating 20-50+ messages for every 
> IETF-LC'd document (every AD's "IESG review" plus clarifications, 
> follow-ups, outsiders opinions, etc.)?

I suggest that AD input on a doc be considered equally with other input.
Details are TBD.

> What about Informational/Experiemental WG submissions which so far 
> have not been IETF LC'd?

If there is a Discuss on such docs, the Discuss input should be reviewed
in public...

- Ralph

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