> As you know, I'm personally a pretty strong believer in > the "oh, you haven't read the documents, go to the back of the > room and be quiet" school of WG meeting leadership. I've gotten > a lot of pushback for that, and been called several bad names, > but it has never come from the IESG. I'll venture to suggest that anyone who thinks about both the scarcity of meeting time and the aggregate cost of such meeting -- include the cost of the time of the participants -- will agree with you that the meeting needs to focus on deliverables, rather than "education". There are, of course, exceptions, but they are just that, exceptional. > PowerPoint itself is another issue. I, personally, hate it for IETF WG- > like meetings, not because of all of the cliche reasons, but because it > discourages real interaction. People can and do use powerpoint slides in many ways. Some folks will rework text in real-time, based on interaction with the participants. Some folks just talk their slides rather than actually engaging with the participants. A thing to keep in mind is that slides and the jabber activity can be incredibly helpful to folks for whom English not their native language. I think that, in fact, the issue is not powerpoint-vs-no-powerpoint. I think it is exactly and only the concern you raise: meetings need to be for working group interaction. If that is the clear goal and if the meeting is run with that goal enforced, then none of the trappings matter. d/ --- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf