Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > I don't think that direct elections would increase corporate > influence in the way you imagine, quite the reverse in fact. One NOMCOM member reported 2 * USD 500 + flight here. That IS de facto a "corporate only" policy, plus a few enthusiasts willing to pay these costs privately. > What if your problem is what has not been done for ten years > and shows no more sign of being done today than ten years > ago? That's tough but not the kind of problem where something in the IETF could help me. You're confusing IETF + industry, standards + patents, protocols + products. Anything which is proprietary is irrelevant for a standard. If you have a product and/or patent it's fine, just go and try to sell it. > People were asked if they planned to deploy a spec, they > answered. Probably the same people who would "vote" for a WG chair in your model. Then I really prefer the "benevolent dictator" model, where the WG chair could dismiss these zombies. > Given that there were no real technical issues being > discussed in the group at any point in its life That's not the case, there were on topic technical threads: One caused major improvements of the ABNF. Another stated the incompatibilty of the discussed scheme with other identities (after numerous attempts to achieve equivalence were ignored). And finally the incompatible identities resulted in different scopes. Major improvements of worst case scenarios were also inspired by on topic articles (but solved elsewhere after the WG was closed against the rules). The XML-over-DNS part was a waste of time, but you can't say that it was non-technical. > There were also a lot of people who only appeared on the > other side when the patent license issue was raised. Now that was really off topic, IIRC I've never commented it on this list. In fact it wasn't better than the one-time zombies. > If a standards body is going to allow non-royalty free specs > (as the IETF does) Maybe that should be fixed, not the voting. Or maybe they should rename IETF to ILTF, the legal task force. I'd then know that I'm at the wrong place, because IANAL. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf