But, having travelled in and out of France for the last decade+ I can categorically state that this has NEVER happened to me nor anyone I know of/have heard of. Neither have I. Nor have crypto laws seem a problem taking a lap top over US borders. So, trying to get an "IETF Excemption", Sam, for a non-issue seems like just a way to raise a bunch of flags we don't need raised. Let's let the sleeping (clueless) dogs sleep. I'm amazed about what non-issues are raised everytime the IETF is not meeting in the USA. Real serious issues seem to be waved away. To my opinion, one threat to the international nature of the IETF are the continuous increasing difficulties entering the US. This morning I read in the local papers that starting the 25th of october the Visa-Waiver program will grind to a halt for (most) Europeans. jaap _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf