> -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Hain [mailto:tony@xxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:23 PM > To: 'irtf-chair@xxxxxxxx'; 'iab@xxxxxxx'; 'iesg@xxxxxxxx' > Cc: 'ietf@xxxxxxxx' > Subject: Why? > > Why are we wasting effort in every WG and research area on NAT traversal > crap??? > > All week people have been telling me that IPv6 has to show a clear value, > but those same people are totally writing off the cost of their effort to > define the array of NAT traversal schemes, the cost of vendors to build > that crap, then the extensive cost of network managers to operate the > complex environments that end up being created by this house of cards. It > is long past time that any protocol that requires a NAT helper is just a > non-starter and the WG should be closed. > > On another topic, why is it that the API is so sacred that we will create > a massive array of complex approaches to avoid defining a real session > layer. We put imitation session efforts at layer 4 (SCTP), layer 3.5 (HIP), > layer 3.25 (shim), and the TRILL crap is trying to do it at layer 2.5. > Doing things the hard way allows smart people to feel they are important, > but it doesn't make the network work better. > > Tony _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf