Hi Noel, Will all the respect, this is ridiculous. You are out of the market, I feel. We are deploying in Europe, now 3 "small" networks of 4.500, 5.500 and 8.000 sites, with dual stack, and probably turning them into IPv6-only quite soon. Customers ask for it, not actually me pushing anymore. Is curious also that the one for 5.500 was only 4.700 sites a few weeks ago, and now grow in just a couple of weeks to 5.500. They are happy to get a big network with real end-to-end ! And I'm sure that there are a lot of similar cases behind the scenes. I know about some others that can't disclose, but also know about a lot of big industrial players, for consumer products, which already moved IPv6 from the R&D labs to their production plans, with products in the market for the next year. All the big Telcos are already deploying (or have done already) IPv6 in their backbones. Access networks are slower, but this is absolutely normal, in my opinion, and partially because we, IETF, aren't doing a faster job. Everything takes time, and specially Internet with IPv4 is not something that is so easy to get "updated". Regards, Jordi > De: jnc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Noel Chiappa) > Responder a: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx > Fecha: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:15:50 -0500 (EST) > Para: ietf@xxxxxxxx > CC: jnc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Asunto: A modest proposal for Harald > >> From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand >> Date: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:20 AM > >> I'm stepping down as IETF chair in March, and I am not a candidate >> for reappointment. > > Harald: > > I too would like to congratulate you on your successes, and suggest you have > the opportunity to be the last chair to preside over active work related to > version 6 of the IP protocol suite. With the passage of more than 10 years > since IPv6 was adopted as the offical replacement for IPv4, and with the > contined small amount of actual IPv6 deployment, there is really no further > justification for any IETF working group to be discussing IPv6 in current > work. With all due respect to those who have put in a lot of effort over the > years in the attempt to make IPv6 happen, even people working on IPv6 have to > acknowledge that the size of the publicaly available IPv6 internet continues > to be very small; this is a poor sign for the adoption of IPv6. It should be > clear to everyone that although products that rely on current standards > activities will continue appear in the market place, the market is simply not > interested in deploying IPv6. As such I would recommend your legacy include > an active review of all working group discussions next week for items related > to IPv6, followed by closure of all IPv6 related work items before your > departure in March. > > Noel > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ********************************** Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit Presentations and videos on line at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf