carl@xxxxxxxxx (Carl Malamud) wrote on 20.10.04 in <200410201436.i9KEahKm027873@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > Eric - > > > I said this: if IETF wants to know what form of patent license will be > > acceptable to the open-source community, the people to ask are Richard > > Stallman (representing FSF) and myself (representing OSI). > > > > Between us (and especially if we agree), I believe we can speak *with > > regard to this question* for 95% of the open-source community. This > > does not make either of us power-mad dictators intent on domination, > > just most peoples' recognized experts on what constitutes an > > acceptable open-source license. > > > > If either Mr. Schryer or yourself chooses not to be considered part > > of that "most people", fine -- the fact remains there are an awful damn > > lot of developers expecting RMS and myself to *do* *this* *job* so they > > don't have to. > > That works fine for the membership of your organization. It is great > they have entrusted this job to you. Congratulations. Uh, it seems you're misunderstanding what esr says. Of the people he claims to represent, I'd expect less than 1% to actually be members of either OSI or the FSF. He is not talking about representing any organization. He is talking about representing the community. > You may be missing a fundamental thing, however. The IETF has *no members* > and, despite an impressive org chart and lots of titles, *participants* > in the process tend to bristle when anybody presumes to speak on behalf > of *the IETF.* We deliverately have a long, slow process based on > group consensus and working code. By working code I mean every idea > gets implemented so we can see how they work. That's the ideal anyway. And in that way, it is slightly *more* organized than the people esr claims to represent. > Well, yes, perhaps we are a gang of baboons. You've got a church model > of open source with you as pope. *esr*?! The very guy who wrote "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"? You *must* be joking. > But, why don't you head over to the bazaar and > see how the rest of us live? That is pretty much what he's made his life mission, you really ought to know. I may disagree with him on various things, but your attack misses the point so far, where he is and where you hit don't even seem to be on the same planet. MfG Kai _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf