Agreed, I'm never using the term IP again unless it's internet protocol. What I meant indeed was patents in the context of software. I Should NOT have made the assumption in this crowd, though I think everyone agrees, that nobody here is really talking about trademarks (which obviously is about reputation from the holders perspective) and copyrights(i.e. stealing code directly). -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Anderson [mailto:dean@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:13 PM > To: Ted Faber > Cc: Iljitsch van Beijnum; ThomasGal@xxxxxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! > > There are very good arguments as to why "intellectual property" and > derivatives should be avoided as a term. One should talk > instead about > patents, copyrights and trademarks instead. The issues > represented by the three are substantially different among > the three and they can't be successfully generalized. > > To illustrate the inappriateness of the "intellectual > property" as a term, all we have to do is examine the current > state of patents, copyrights, and > trademarks: It is unlikely that Patents are on the way out. > It may be that software patents are on the way out. It may be > that biotech patents are on the way out. It is unlikely the > copyrights are on the way. It may be that copyright abuse may > be limited. It is unlikely that trademarks are on the way out. > > --Dean > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Ted Faber wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:44:02PM +0200, Iljitsch van > Beijnum wrote: > > > On 12-okt-04, at 19:36, Thomas Gal wrote: > > > > > > >and IP is on it's way out > > > > > > Please note that in the IETF the letters "IP" first and foremost > > > mean "Internet Protocol". To use them for something else > is confusing. > > > > To forestall the question, when communicating with the IETF one > > shortens "intellectual property" to "IPR." You can pretend it > > abbrieviates "Intellectual Property Rights" or > "Intellectual PRoperty." > > It replaces both phrases in discourse and writing. > > > > > > -- > Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? > www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service > 617 344 9000 > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf