>>>>> "Eric" == Eric S Raymond <esr@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Eric> You've had two direct warnings about this -- the ASF and Eric> Debian open letters. They interpreted IETF's passivity on Eric> the Sender-ID patent issue as damage and routed around it. Eric> If the IETF doesn't get its act together, that *will* happen Eric> again. The open-source community and its allies will have Eric> no choice but to increasingly route around IETF, and IETF Eric> will become increasingly irrelevant. I'm a bit confused here. As I understand things, Debian and ASF provided input to an IETF consensus call. They asked us not to approve a standard that depended on certain IPR. Based on that input and other input received by the working group, the chairs decided that they did not have consensus to advance a standard based on this IPR. I.E. The IETF did exactly what Debian and ASF asked us to do. That seems like a reasonable outcome under our process. It also seems directly consistent with what Debian and ASF asked the IETF to do. Could you help me understand your concern? --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf