Did M$ scan IETF for patent ideas? When was this first written, if you have doc with date, you can challenge/share the patent. Maggie > > From: Hadmut Danisch <hadmut@xxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 2004/10/05 Tue PM 12:53:03 EDT > To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@xxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Shuffle those deck chairs! > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 04:06:18AM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > > When Meng Weng Wong was thinking about how to > > evangelize SPF, his first instinct was to bypass IETF and go straight > > to the open-source MTA developers -- I had to lobby hard to persuade > > him to go through the RFC process, and now I wonder if I was right to > > do that. > > > > > The IETF is a problem, but not the worst one. > > The worst thing in that dirty game was that some were > "evangelizing" and "lobbying hard". > > Wasn't it you who partizipated in the SPF marketing show at > MIT? Wasn't it you who blamed me for not doing proper marketing? > > Security is about engineering, but not evangelizing, lobbying, or > marketing. > > This is what poisoned the whole process, and the IETF is who allowed > the process to be poisoned. > > While I agree that the IETF made awful mistakes and spoiled MARID, > I do consider your critics as malicious, because it is exactly > that what you praise what finally caused all that trouble. > > Without SPF and Meng's personality show and all that marketing, > evangelizing and lobbying, IETF could have finished the work > and defined an RFC about half a year ago, before M$ could have > applied for a patent. And FYI, Meng did not go straigt to the > open-source MTA developers. He went to the evil cathedral, not > to the bazaar. Don't tell tales here. > > You'd better not persuaded him. > > Hadmut > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf