Eliot, > > I am trying to imagine any sort of serious protocol > > development process that used that sort of logic and then > > had acceptance and/or success. > Here-in lies the rub. If you try to use our rules of > protocol development to develop an organization we'll never > get there. And you and I agree that there are bigger fish to > fry, and right now the kitchen is backing up. My point was that the level of naivete and irrationality that underlie this reorganization process would never be tolerated in any serious design effort for specifications. So I was not talking about "rules". I was talking about being deliberate, constructive risk-averse. We are being none of those. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker@... brandenburg.com _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf