On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, John Brown wrote: > Copyright 2004, John Brown, All rights reserved, redistribution requires > prior written permission of the Author / Copyright Holder. > > Dean, > > I would say that per Section 7 that as a member I have actual knowledge > and thus offer the opinion that your actions on this and other lists > that I've seen you post to, does not enhance the list, does not add > value to the process. Instead your actions are clearly intended to > disrupt and distract. > > If it was up to me, I'd remove your account until such time as you > learned to play well with others. You are the one who can't make any other argument except name-calling. Name-calling does not enhance the list, and does not add value to the process. Name-calling disrupts and distracts attention from technical issues. Indeed, the original anycast discussion in 2002 was disrupted by name-calling and other attacks on Dr. Bernstein. Strangely enough, many of the same people are now attacking me. It is your actions that are __intended__ to disrupt and distract. Otherwise, you'd have technical arguments that didn't depend on personal attacks. --Dean > Copyright 2004, John Brown, All rights reserved, redistribution requires > prior written permission of the Author / Copyright Holder. > > > > Dean Anderson wrote: > > The following message by Stephane Bortzmeye includes an inappropriate > > personal attack in violation of the following sections of the ISOC Code of > > Conduct: http://www.isoc.org/members/codeconduct.shtml > > > > 7 Only offer or claim to offer opinions or services that lie within the > > member's actual knowledge or competence. > > > > 8 In the case of financial or material conflict between personal and > > professional interests, or between two professional interests, declare > > this conflict to all interested parties and if appropriate in public. > > > > 9 Respect the generally accepted norms of Internet etiquette for human > > communications, especially by avoiding communications that are false or > > are likely to be considered as discourteous, objectionable, malicious, > > unwanted, or causing unjustified loss of prestige. Avoid fraudulent or > > deceptive statements. > > > > 11 Treat all users and colleagues fairly and on equal terms. > > > > > > And the message violates the following sections of the IETF Guidelines for > > Conduct RFC 3184: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3184.txt?number=3184 > > > > 1. IETF participants extend respect and courtesy to their colleagues > > at all times. > > > > IETF participants come from diverse origins and backgrounds and > > are equipped with multiple capabilities and ideals. Regardless of > > these individual differences, participants treat their colleagues > > with respect as persons--especially when it is difficult to agree > > with them. Seeing from another's point of view is often > > revealing, even when it fails to be compelling. > > English is the de facto language of the IETF, but it is not the > > native language of many IETF participants. Native English > > speakers attempt to speak clearly and a bit slowly and to limit > > the use of slang in order to accommodate the needs of all > > listeners. > > > > 2. IETF participants develop and test ideas impartially, without > > finding fault with the colleague proposing the idea. > > > > We dispute ideas by using reasoned argument, rather than through > > intimidation or ad hominem attack. Or, said in a somewhat more > > IETF-like way: > > > > "Reduce the heat and increase the light" > > > > > > > > > -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf