On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:32:22PM -0800, The IESG <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx> wrote a message of 38 lines which said: > The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the > following document: - 'Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA): > Registry > Restrictions and Recommendations' > <draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-09.txt> as Proposed Standard Summary: there are big problems with this draft. It should not be published as-is. The biggest one is the fact that it spends most time criticizing the business model of some domain name registries than talking about internationalized domain names (sections 1 and 4, things like "in a zone in which the revenues are derived exclusively, or almost exclusively, from selling or reserving (including "blocking") as many names as possible"). IETF typically does not talk about business models of Internet actors (otherwise, many RFC would have to be expanded…) and specially in derogatory terms. All these rants about registries being for-profit or not should be removed, it is irrelevant for IDNA. Nostalgic references to RFC 1591 are not really useful. Also, IETF RFC do not set policies for registries (for instance, this is why RFC 954 on whois was replaced by RFC 3912) so sentences like "actually be treated as requirements" should be deleted. Another serious issue is that, while it refers to RFC 9499 on domain name and DNS terminology, it creates new definitions (section 4) which are quite vague and do not seem useful for IDNA. I've read the beginning of section 4 with the definitions of "zones operating primarily" and I still don't know where .fr would fit, for instance. The mention of "public domains" is specially confusing. (RFC 9499, section 9, has the proper definitions, which should be used.) And the last important problem is that it mentions vague risks ("most dangerous and otherwise problematic cases", "obscure characters", this last one bordering on western-centricism) without a threat analysis. Homograph attacks are as cool in security conferences (and are a sure way to make english-speaking people laugh) as they are rare in the wild. (Most users do not check the domain names and even if they do, they typically don't spot the difference between secure-bank.example and secure.bank.example; the security issue is not in IDN.) The [Gabrilovich2002] reference is a poor two-page document that speaks only about theoretical possibilities, not about actual attacks observed. To be fit for publication, sections 1 and 4 should be completely rewritten. Section 5 is OK, it just fixes errors in previous RFC. -- last-call mailing list -- last-call@xxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to last-call-leave@xxxxxxxx