-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Harald" == Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Harald> My take (which is obviously biased) is that the number of Harald> NAT devices 2 years from now is likely to be significantly Harald> larger than the number of NAT devices currently deployed. Yes, I agree. And multiple layers too. And at higher speed points in the network. Harald> And - here I am making a real leap of faith - if the IETF Harald> recommendations for NAT devices make manufacturers who Harald> listen to them create NAT devices that make their customers Harald> more happy, then many of these new NAT devices may be Harald> conformant to IETF recommendations. Do we really want customers of NAT devices to be happy? Harald> (Note - I sympathize with Pekka's touching faith in Teredo Harald> as the Big Solution.... I hope he's right. So the NAT Harald> recommendations may in that case boil down to a single Harald> sentence: Harald> "Don't break Teredo" Harald> If that's the case.... it's worth saying.) I don't think we need a working group to say this. I think that the IAB could write a document much easier that said that. - -- ] "Elmo went to the wrong fundraiser" - The Simpson | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBQU8juoqHRg3pndX9AQGf5QQAmosDzc+v6l5dhfmedxwaikVvmFhe6/eE LR/Re6jZ5NTjv6r51ea51bN8WOndaWp6zskwXLf+dKKfk0Ymqez7KN42nwmta0Qi 2eow3xUbzsse4zAXYH2Op7HLHJEZS4SQ16M92TBxay9hvoYj6mKnkxOp5DdbMXeQ RhFiISfLMIg= =NZkz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf