[Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: SECDIR Review of draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-31

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 01:38:03AM +0000, Dave Crocker wrote:

> DMARC, DKIM and SPF are all completely outside of the email transport
> protocol specification.  They are very much IN scope for a broader
> discussion of email as a service.  But that's a different goal.

Given that SMTP is a hop-by-hop transmission protocol, while DKIM, DMARC
and SPF attempt to address (to various degrees, and with various known
drawbacks) end-to-end authentication of message origin.  Description or
mention of those particular protocols is not IMHO a good fit for the
SMTP transport standard.

RFCs relevant to SMTP transport security include RFC 3207 (SMTP
STARTTLS), RFC 7672 (DANE SMTP) and RFC 8461 (MTA-STS hack).

In particular, at least from Gmail's vantage, RFC3207 adoption is has
come a long way since 2013, with STARTTLS now covering ~98% of traffic:

    https://transparencyreport.google.com/safer-email/overview?encrypt_out=start:1356912000000;end:1730159999999;series:outbound&lu=encrypt_in&encrypt_in=start:1356912000000;end:1730159999999;series:inbound

But that's on the public Internet, and perhaps biased by GMail's traffic
going substantially to other similar providers.  Inside private networks
the numbers are liable to be quite different.

-- 
    Viktor.

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