[Last-Call] Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pals-ple-08

["Christian Schmutzer \(cschmutz\)" <cschmutz=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Correct. In case of the byte-aligned mode, the receiver (IWF) of the ingress PE is working at byte level and each PLE payload does start with the first bit of a byte.

Christian

On 18.10.2024, at 21:37, jmh.direct <jmh.direct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If I understand, both modes send full bytes.  It just Tha in one case the receiver interprets it as a raw bit stream, and in the other case the receiver understands it as a byte stream needing processing?

Yours,

Joel

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From: "Christian Schmutzer (cschmutz)" <cschmutz@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: 10/18/24 3:26 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: Joel Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Cc: "Christian Schmutzer (cschmutz)" <cschmutz@xxxxxxxxx>, gen-art@xxxxxxxx, draft-ietf-pals-ple.all@xxxxxxxx, last-call@xxxxxxxx, pals@xxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pals-ple-08

Hi Joel,

When the basic payload is used, the IWF of the ingress PE is storing bits (not bytes) as they come in, waits until enough bits have been received to fill a payload and once ready creates a PLE packet and sends it across the PSN. The IWF of the egress PE is doing the reverse in accordance to the recovered clock (DCR). 

In the end of the day a series of bits make their way across the PSN as is … i.e. the PLE service makes the two CEs connected to the PLE service think they are connected via a pair of fibre. 

The CEs apply their technology specific pattern sync methods to detect framing patters, etc without any interaction with the PEs. For Ethernet PCS sync is done, for SONET A1,A2 framing is performed.

OTN services are a special case because we can’t carry bits as is. The ingress NSP function must terminate the lowest OTN layer called OTUk as it contains FEC. This means the egress NSP must create the OTUk/FEC layer, and in order to do that byte aligning the PLE packet is beneficial.

Regards

Christian 

On 18.10.2024, at 20:33, Joel Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks.  With regard to the non-byte-aligned payload, I am still slightly confused.  I can well believe this is clear to those working in the area.  But... If the payload is not byte aligned, and bytes are sent, how does the receiver know how many bits in the last byte to ignore?

Thanks,

Joel

On 10/18/2024 1:44 PM, Christian Schmutzer (cschmutz) wrote:

Hi Joel,

Thank you for your review! Let me try to comment/answer here

1) RSV/FRG:

Good catch. We indeed forgot to mention explicitly that payload fragmentation is not used by PLE. I changed the text for FRG to 

    These bits MUST be set to zero by the sender and ignored by the receiver as PLE does not use payload fragmentation

And similar to RFC4553 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4553#section-4.2) I also added the following sentence to the PW demultiplexing section

    The total size of a PLE packet for a specific PW MUST NOT exceed the path MTU between the pair of PEs terminating this PW.

2) byte aligned payload

For Ethernet and Fibre Channel services, PLE is carrying 66B/64B encoded data for example. So the payload carried by PLE is not always in bytes. The basic payload of PLE is designed to be completely structure agnostic without any need to align the PLE packet generation with the incoming payload data.

For OTN services (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pals-ple-08#section-4.5) the CE-bound IWF function must extract the extended ODUk frames from the received PLE payloads. Based on our discussions with leading OTN technology vendors, this "search function" is easier to implement under the assumption that the PLE payload is byte aligned hence we defined this dedicated PLE payload type which is byte aligned for OTN services.

I hope this addresses your comments. The changes with respect to 1) are included in the -09 version I just uploaded to data tracker

Regards

Christian 

On 11.10.2024, at 16:34, Joel Halpern via Datatracker <noreply@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Reviewer: Joel Halpern
Review result: Ready with Nits

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Document: draft-ietf-pals-ple-08
Reviewer: Joel Halpern
Review Date: 2024-10-11
IETF LC End Date: 2024-10-23
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary: This draft is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard

Major issues: N/A

Minor issues: N/A

Nits/editorial comments:
   Section 5.2.1 defining the PLEA Control Word describes two pairs of bits,
   one pair called RSSV and described in the usual way for describing reserved
   bits.  A second pair is called FRG and is described more teresely but
   appears to be simply more reserved bits.   It is unclear why these two
   fields are separated, and why the wording is slightly different between
   them.

   Section 6 desccribes the basic payload and the byte aligned payload.  The
   description makes it look like there are two different forms.  Thinking
   about it, the payload is always in bytes, so the sender will fill bits from
   the source until it has filled the fixed number of bytes.  SO what is the
   difference between 6.1 and 6.2?

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