Hi John,
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 2:01 PM John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. Seems entirely reasonable with one or
two qualifications. First, if you (and/or other areas) are doing
things that way, the review needs to be posted to the Last Call list
well before the Last Call closes out so there is time for people from
the Area and the broader community to comment on it. Second, if the
posted end of Last Call date is unreasonable or unattainable for some
reason, I'd hope the responsible AD could be notified of that early
in the Last Call window -- at least no later than a week before it is
closed -- rather than, e.g., after the close date. That would permit
actions, if needed, to be taken without things looking like a game of
"Gotcha" with the AD and WG and/or author(s) responsible for the
document.
For what it's worth, in my time on the IESG, I haven't found the need to manage this vigorously. If there's a directorate review I'd really like to have, I have the discretion to wait for it before scheduling the document onto a telechat even though Last Call has ended. If the review has come in but it provokes discussion, I have the discretion to wait for that discussion to resolve before moving forward. If we're talking about a document that isn't one of mine and a review comes in from my area review team raising something on which I'd like to dive deeper, I can use DISCUSS for that (so long as I am diligent about clearing it once the discussion is had, of course). That's been my strategy for a while now and it's never raised a complaint, which (so far, at least) includes the document you're talking about here.
The thing I used to determine if the review has come in is the datatracker. I will check the last-call list too, but the datatracker provides a nice snapshot of which reviews have been requested and which have come in, and is usually where I start when checking on a document's status.
Just to keep this all public: For this particular document, I have pinged the assigned directorate reviewers to ask them to upload their reviews ASAP on this document. As I said elsewhere, I might be fine advancing a document missing a couple of directorate reviews, but not all of them. If they don't come in soon, I'll reach out to the review team chairs to ask for reassignments.
Lastly, I would definitely appreciate a notification (automated or otherwise) when a directorate review is going to be late. Right now all the tracker tells me is "not done", which could mean "not done yet" or could mean "don't hold your breath".
-MSK
