Oh, I had missed the whole Last-Call discussion on this, what with being out celebrating King Charles' long birthday weekend and all. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/last-call/ https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/JM29M9ZTOyXTAnTnvPX6NUnJhVE/ maybe, if you're going to restrict someone's posting rights to a mailing list, it's worth mentioning it to that very mailing list, because the actual affected members of said list might have opinions? [Last Call PR action is administratively heavy for just removing someone from a mailing list -- not that removing someone should ever be easy or at the whim of the chair -- but there's so much prior behaviour here that you'd also wonder if the Last Call should have been for more than just removing someone from a mailing list.] Lloyd Wood lloydwood@xxxxxxxxxxx "But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?" "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'." -- Douglas Adams, HHGTTG. On Monday 10 June 2024 at 14:16:14 GMT+10, Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Here's the IETF anti-harrassment policy. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-ietf-anti-harassment-policy-20131103/ but I'm sure you're providing useful data points for future papers on sexism in the IETF. Maybe even a footnote! Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx > On 10 Jun 2024, at 12:25, Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > What makes you think they were unwanted? > > >> On 06/09/2024 9:57 PM EDT Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> One type of bullying is making unwanted advances to a woman, Timmy. >> >> Lloyd Wood >> lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> On 10 Jun 2024, at 01:57, Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>> John should have his own email list for this type of bullying. Then, the people who want his stats can subscribe and the people who don't want to see the bot posts, won't have too. If ALL of John Levine's bots get their own lists, I will never post on the IETF list again. Deal?