[Last-Call] Re: Last Call: <draft-kucherawy-bcp97bis-05.txt> (Procedure for Standards Track Documents to Refer Normatively to External Documents) to Best Current Practice

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On 12-May-24 13:45, Rob Sayre wrote:


On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 5:03 PM Erik Kline <ek.ietf@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ek.ietf@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    On this week's telechat is https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc5990bis/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-rfc5990bis/> which has a Normative dependency on ANSI X9.44.

    I didn't know where to find that spec, but some light googling turned up: https://webstore.ansi.org/standards/ascx9/ansix9442007r2017 <https://webstore.ansi.org/standards/ascx9/ansix9442007r2017> which suggests it's available for 60 USD.


The problem there, aside from the idea of paying for these things at all, is whether the things referenced are included in that $60. Not clear at all.

Indeed. And asking WGs to include a bit of analysis when citing a paywalled document seems reasonable. Like: "The bit assignments for XYZ are given in detail in section 7 of [SIXTY-DOLLAR-STD]."

Or better: "The bit assignments for XYZ are listed below, consistent with [SIXTY-DOLLAR-STD]." Then it doesn't need to be a normative reference.

On balance, maybe this draft doesn't need to be a BCP at all, because the IESG can behave as described anyway. Maybe it should be "Guidance to authors and WGs on paywalled references." Like:

- Don't do it unless you have no alternative;
- Try to avoid making it required reading, by including technical details in the I-D;
- If you can't avoid the dependency, document it in detail in the I-D;
- If you can't avoid the dependency, ensure that the WG, reviewers and the IESG have access during the review and approval process.

   Brian
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