From: tom petch <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 29 November 2023 12:25 From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> Sent: 29 November 2023 11:28 <snip> <tp> Amanda > I'm not sure whether experts and IANA are being conflated here or whether "IANA" is being used as shorthand for the registration process. <tp> Yes I am conflating but it is a question of shooting the bearer of bad news:-( An I-D with a YANG module asks IANA for the registration of namespace and module (at least, it does after I have reviewed it - often the requests are absent in early drafts). What the expert replies said in the cases I have in mind is that the YANG in the example in an Appendix does not conform to the rules of XML as per the body that specifies XML. True, but irrelevant; the experts were expected to approve the requests in the Normative part of the I-D and they went beyond that IMHO and generated contentious discussions on lists such as Netmod. I was hoping that IANA would have ruled such responses as out-of-scope but perhaps I hope for too much.. I think it right that IANA feeds such comments back to the WG list. The I-D has WG consensus and any challenges to that need to be in the open and not being seen surreptitiously when the document appears as an RFC! Sometimes the WG and expert reviewer cannot agree which is why we need WG Chairs, AD, IESG, IAB etc (but hopefully not very often). Tom Petch > > These requests are coming from IESG-designated experts, not IANA. IANA's role in this area is strictly administrative: we request the reviews, we pass communication concerning them back and forth (if the authors/applicants aren't already copied), we record the results in the Datatracker. Before the IESG telechat, we set the document's "IANA review state" to "IANA NOT OK" if any expert reviews are still outstanding or if an expert has refused to approve without changes, but the ADs can override that absence of expert approval. > > XML experts are asked to review YANG documents because their IANA Considerations sections request registrations at https://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry. > > In another message, you referred to the XML expert comments in "[IANA #1261213] expert review for draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif (ns)" on the NETCONF mailing list. The expert had complaints/concerns, but those were non-blocking. He did approve the XML registration without changes, so as far as IANA was concerned, that was the end of our involvement. Had the expert refused to approve the XML registration, that could've been appealed to the ADs. > > Is there information we can/should provide about the expert review process (maybe as boilerplate in an email) that we don't? > > Thanks, > > Amanda Baber > IANA Operations Manager
