[ cutting down distribution ] Also, I'm getting a _lot_ of bounces to my e-mail, because we're still using aliases in 2023. When is this going to be fixed? > On 8 Sep 2023, at 4:58 pm, Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Agreed; this is a very awkward solution. > > Also, I learned in 1995 that using a failover pair doesn't work well when both nodes are at full capacity (thanks, LocalDirector; CC:ing George for the memories). > > Likewise, it doesn't make sense to count on a 'paired' AD to handle the load when their partner goes on holiday if they're both overloaded already. > > Has the IESG considered having a single Transport AD with *multiple* helping hands from other areas if they need to take time off? After all, you've already crossed the decision of cross-area backup in this awkward solution. > > Cheers, > > >> On 8 Sep 2023, at 4:52 pm, touch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I don’t think this works at all. Transport protocol issues and web (which is app) issues are completely different skillsets. Putting them into a group doesn’t magically increase the pool of skilled participants or chairs. IMO, it would only amplify the gap. >> >> Although I appreciate that transport is a difficult area to get chairs from, the key here seems to be finding a way to reduce the workload (so it isn’t nearly a full time job) and finding ways to support the position (so we can get candidates outside the pool of commercial employees). >> >> Joe >> — >> Dr. Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist >> www.strayalpha.com >> >>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> The IESG proposes to reorganize the areas by merging the web-related working groups in ART with most of the transport area to create a new area called either “Web and Application Transport” (WAT) or “Transport and Web Applications” (TWA), effective at IETF 119. The IESG invites community comment on this change. >>> >>> The Transport area (TSV) is the smallest area in terms of working groups. More importantly, it has been extremely difficult to find candidates for the two Transport AD positions for many years. Although the Transport Area could be managed by one AD, the IESG strongly feels that having a partner is very important for vacation coverage, managing working groups, handling conflicts of interest, and so on. >>> >>> Meanwhile, the Applications and Real Time (ART) area has been growing. The IESG has already requested a third AD position for ART to be seated by the NomCom in 2024. One of these three ART ADs would move to the new area, together with one AD from TSV. Concurrently eliminating a position prevents growth in the overall size of the IESG. >>> >>> Similar to the OPS area, this new area would have two centers of gravity (transport layer and web applications), so that one AD would have transport expertise and the other would have HTTP expertise. Thematically, this new area would have cohesion around traditional Transport subjects and ART protocols that are often used as transports (especially HTTP). These groups tend to have significant attendance overlaps. >>> >>> Affected Working Groups >>> >>> The following working groups would move outside both ART and the new area: >>> • ALTO to OPS >>> • DTN to INT >>> • IPPM to OPS >>> • SCIM to SEC >>> • TIGRESS to SEC >>> >>> The new area would consist of the following working groups: >>> • AVTCORE >>> • CDNI >>> • CCWG >>> • CORE >>> • HTTPAPI >>> • HTTPBIS >>> • MASQUE >>> • MOQ >>> • NFSV4 >>> • QUIC >>> • RTCWEB >>> • TAPS >>> • TCPM >>> • TSVAREA (to be renamed in accordance with the new area and an updated description/purpose) >>> • TSVWG (this may require a minor recharter, but would retain the same competencies) >>> • WEBTRANS >>> >>> All other ART working groups would remain in place. >>> >>> The Transport Area Review Team (TSVART) would not change its purpose, scope, or operations. The Transport-focused AD would have primary responsibility for managing this team. The HTTP Directorate would also remain as-is and would be overseen by the HTTP-oriented AD of the new area. Details about ARTART are TBD. >>> >>> Transition Plan >>> The IESG would request that NomCom not fill the open TSV AD position currently occupied by Martin Duke. Francesca Palombini and Zahed Sarker would be the initial ADs for the new area. >>> >>> The IESG would also request that one of the two ART openings be filled for only a one-year term, so as to stagger future ART AD terms. >>> >>> The new area’s AD terms would initially also end at the same time. In the 2024-2025 NomCom cycle, the IESG would request that the NomCom fill two slots, one with transport expertise and one with HTTP expertise, either of which could be a one-year term (but not both). >>> >>> Next Steps >>> Please submit any comments on this plan, including the name/acronym to iesg@xxxxxxxx no later than 20 Sep 2023 (anywhere on Earth). >>> >>> Concurrently, the IESG will work on updated job descriptions to be transmitted to the NomCom. It anticipates this update will be relatively minor. >>> On Behalf of the IESG, >>> Martin Duke >>> Transport AD >> > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
