On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:21:44AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: ... > This happens on the sub-IP layer and hasn't got to do much with ISPs. ... > You get what you pay for. ... > Same here. ... > You can't get reliable multicast service anywhere in the world. ... > It's not a real problem to get native IPv6 over ADSL or SDSL. ... > Which one is that? > > The case you are writing about does *not* block 25/TCP on the TCP/IP > layer. > > It's true that certain extremely cheap products don't offer that much > Internet or Service. These products are marketed aggressively and are > usually sold at a loss. Nobody forces you to buy them. You missed the point. This is not about complaining that I don't get enough for the money. This is that I don't know in advance what I do get for my money. "Nobody forces you to buy them" is true only as long as I do know what exactly they offer and as it is my decision to buy it or not. But if I buy "Internet" and don't see what I'm buying, then I don't have the choice. I do not want to blame anyone for selling NAT access. I want him to give a clear statement about what he is selling. regards Hadmut (And, btw, some of the statements are incorrect. - Some providers intentionally cut their customers off after 24 hours in order to force them to have a new IP address. - It is a real problem to get native IPv6 over DSL in Germany. Some providers simply don't want to provide IPv6, because they say "Internet" is IPv4. ) _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf