> From: Ole Jacobsen > assigned something that looked like a "real" routable IP address, but > as a consumer of paid-for Internet service (that works) is there any > reason (apart from religion) that I should care?? If you have no reason to care, then you shouldn't, except that Full Internet connectivity is significantly more expensive to provide. It's not the bits that are more expensive, but the people who deal with the naughty bits that come with Full Internet Connectivity. If you have a technical reason to care, perhaps because you need to run an application not understood by the NAT systems of your hotel, then you ought to be able to distinguish what you need from what you are getting while talking to people who have never heard of the IETF. Perhaps you would like to run applications that talk to systems back at the factory and that use protocols that don't always play with NAT. Maybe you are a system admninistrator who needs to check your DCC servers (anti-spam system), despite your hotel's filters against UDP port 6277. Perhaps you need to check your DNS servers despite your hotel's filters and redirection of port 53 or all UDP. Maybe you just need SSH and didn't remember to set an sshd listening to port 443 before you left. Maybe you need to talk to port 25 on your SMTP server to see if it is sick. Talk about ALGs, UDP, TCP, and even NAT is cybercrud noise to a hotel desk clerk. However, you might someday be able to say "please upgrade the Internet service for room 1234 from Web Connectivity to Full Internet Connectivity." You don't expect airline ticket agents to understand or care what you're talking about if you go on about stall speeds, rates of sink or climb, and so forth, but asking for a ticket on a "communter airline" instead of a "wide body" can be useful. There is absolutely no chance of less filtering in hotels, 802.11 hot spots, etc. There will be terms that distinguish those kind of Internet service from what many of us consider the real thing. The issue is whether we must wait for the market to provide equivalents to "ham radio," "CB radio," "satellite radio," "AM," "FM," "TV," and "cell phone." Arguing against the idea of draft is like saying "the term 'electormagnetic radiation' is good enough." Vernon Schryver vjs@xxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf