Hiya, I hope this doesn't resurrect the thread but figured it'd be almost cowardly if I didn't express an opinion, Dan being a person whose company I've enjoyed at numerous IETFs, with the same being true for a number of people who've supported the proposed PR-action. I think the IESG could just about justify a PR-action against Dan on the basis that he's been repeatedly if sporadically inflammatory (that last is called out in BCP 83). If a PR- action is enforced on that basis, I hope it is of a temporary nature, and is not leveraged by other WG list admins, as I don't recall Dan taking the same approach to technical topics where he's been a constructive contributor over many years. I'd also ask to the IESG to consider that this thread itself has been quite a "punishment." OTOH, Dan has continued his relatively inflammatory style in responding to some posts in this thread so I could understand if the IESG weighed that in their deliberations. I don't personally find Dan's postings as referenced justify an accusation of racism, and as that'd be a pretty major finding which the IESG collectively maybe aren't well placed to judge, I really hope that aspect is not reflected in whatever statement the IESG post if they do impose a PR- action. (I do accept that people can validly differ in how they judge what is or is not problematic in that space so I'm not arguing those who see that problem are wrong, I'm just saying I look at those messages differently.) If the IESG conclude that they're not well-placed to judge such questions then it may be a good plan to try make that clear, when summarising this thread or otherwise. Lastly, I do think this thread and the situation argue that BCP 83 ought be revised, but I'd recommend that not be attempted for a year or more. It's a rarely used instrument and probably better revisited after some time has passed. Regretfully, Stephen.
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