Hi John, I actually (myself) have no problem to have my name published, my complain was somehow an indirect one ... because what is surprising is that when we had this type of discussion several times, no solution or decision is publicly provided. That's really annoying. We aren't here volunteering with our time and resources to provide our inputs and then being ignored, at least not most of us, I guess. So the openness of the process is already broken not taking decisions after the discussions :-( Also is interesting that even when I typed it correctly, is now incorrectly mistyped in the attendee list, what just adds distrust to the process looking manual and prone to errors. I also agree with the need of openness in the process, BUT the IETF has not any right to infringe the laws/regulations even if the openness is so important. Just imagine that a given country decides to block because something like this (not complying the local laws, that in this case are very common at least as I know in Europe), the www.ietf.org or even the mail exploders on that domain. It will be much worst ! Despite this, I think you provide a very good solution for this with your suggested boilerplate. Probably this is the minimum legal one that we should have. We like it or not, we live in a world with rules, that we must accept (or change). In part the problem is probably that there is not a clear legal situation for a non-legal organization ... but that's another history. The other good example is the IPv6 issue. As I recall, I saw (and even participated) in that debate a couple of times. Today I see no objective reason for not doing that, but we don't have a decision on that. Is that good ? Is this what we expect for an open process ? Regards, Jordi ----- Original Message ----- From: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> To: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Re: respect privacy please ! > Jordi, > > This has been discussed several times before. While I share > your discomfort, IETF is not some "conference" you might be > attending. It is very difficult to claim that one has an open > standards process when some participants are permitted attend > meetings and, potentially, influence decisions while being > hidden or anonymous. We do not discourage people from lurking > quietly on mailing lists. But I think that, as soon as anyone > more actively participates -- whether by posting to mailing > lists or attending meetings (especially since the latter is a > qualification for Nomcom membership that must be publicly > verifiable) -- then I think desires for privacy have to yield to > the importance of trust in the IETF community and its processes. > As with IPR disclosures, if one can't accept the rules, the best > option is to decide to not play. > > Out of curiosity, would you feed better about this if the > boilerplate you need to page through to register said, > explicitly, "if you don't want your name to be made public as a > registrant and participant, please don't register or attend" or > "by registering, you consent..."? I don't have any control over > the text or decisions but assume that, if lots of people wanted > such language to eliminate any misunderstandings about whether > you had consented, the IESG and Secretariat would probably agree > to add it. > > At least the Secretariat no longer feels a need to publish email > addresses with the list of registrants :-( > > best, > john > > p.s. Note that the above is purely a process and moral position. > There is, I'm sure, a legal one that parallels it, but I'd > rather not go there --and set off a wave of amateur lawyering-- > if we can help it. > > > > --On Friday, 21 May, 2004 13:24 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've already raised this some time ago, same as other people > > did, but I still see my name being published, w/o my consent, > > in the list of attendees. > > > > This is not acceptable, we should have the option to choose if > > we want to have our name published or not when we do the > > registration. > > > > I will also like to get some response about the time frame to > > get the IETF sites IPv6-enabled. If there is any problem for > > doing that, I already volunteered to host a mirror. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ********************************** Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit Presentations and videos on line at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf