Hi Wes and thanks for your review. Please see below.
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From: Wesley Eddy via Datatracker <noreply@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11
Date: 21. February 2022 at 16:28:43 CET
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Reviewer: Wesley Eddy
Review result: Ready with Issues
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I don't have any major concern with this, just a handful of small comments that
are maybe more than "nits", so I selected 'Ready with Issues'.
1) Early the the document the concept of the RSWG is introduced and later
described in detail in 3.1.1. I wasn't sure at first if this was supposed to
be an IETF working group (in the GEN area) or if it was intended to be
"outside" of the IETF. This seems more clear in section 3.1.1, but I would
suggest thinking about if there's another term than "working group" that might
fit, to distinguish it better.
The program did discuss this and came to the conclusion that
because the RSWG functions much like an IETF working group,
"working group" was appropriate. While we recognized that there
might be a small amount of confusion, this could be easily
rectified as people engage in the process.
2) Section 3 says "that pass a last call for comments in the working group and
broader community", but it doesn't provide any hint at what the "broader
community" is supposed to include.
This has been a point of discussion, and is covered in more
detail in Section 3.2.3. Perhaps a forward reference would help.
3) The RSAB seems very complex and cumbersome for its simple role of basically
confirming what the RSWG outputs.
Since everyone on the RSAB is expected to be actively participating in the
RSWG and would have weight in the RSWG consensus process, it isn't really
clear to my why this is felt to be necessary (to have a separate organization
with extra meetings, rules, etc.). It seems like the RSAB shouldn't need to
do much of anything separately if the RSWG is working properly, and RSAB is
extra bureaucracy. I'm just asking if it's certain this is really wanted and
needed, since it would be harder to unwind later. Maybe the reasoning why a
separate board (beyond the chairs) is needed to approve the RSWG outputs could
be described.
The purpose of the RSWG is to allow an open forum to drive
process. The purpose of the RSAB is to allow a brake on that
process if the process is going to break streams. The reason RSAB
members are expected to participate in the RSWG is so that when a
CONCERN is raised, it is hopefully not a surprise. If you have a
way to simplify this explanation in the document, that could be
very helpful.
4) Section 3.1.1.3 mentions that feedback on the RSWG chairs can go to the
appointing bodies, but isn't clear how that would be collected (nomcom tools?).
This is indeed left to the appointing bodies themselves to figure
out.
5) Is there any issue to be discussed of potential overlap between co-chairs of
the RSWG, RSAB members, and other roles like being on the IESG, IAB, or IRSG,
employees of the RPC, or other roles? Can someone serve as RSWG co-chair while
also on the IAB, for instance? It seems to me like the people with willingness
and bandwidth to do these things has always been a bit limited in number, so
maybe worth considering. Also, can both RSWG co-chairs work for the same
company?
This was not specifically discussed. The group may wish to
comment.
6) In general, since this is adding extra things that didn't exist before, it
would be nice if the introduction was more clear about what the problem that
this is trying to solve is. In other words, why is this formality needed now,
when ~10k RFCs have been able to be published without it in the past. What
part isn't working well enough? The introduction just talks about there having
been meetings, and lists a lot of good properties that are desired, but doesn't
seem clear which if any of these have been lacking or why these changes address
that.
Rather than “what was the problem”, which we did investigate from time to time, we spent more time on what people thought Good looks like, and how they might reconcile their different visions. That's what you're reading.
Thanks again for your review.
Eliot
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