On Mon, 10 May 2004, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2004, Dean Anderson wrote: > > Point of order, please > > > > It seems that WG co-chair has begun to use an email address that is > > defaming Av8 Internet, Inc by returning business email to users of Av8 > > Internet claiming that Av8 Internet has hijacked some address space. > > > > Av8 Internet hereby demands that the IETF immediately end this behavior > > and halt the defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc by IETF representatives. > > IETF representatives must use email addresses that are not configured for > > defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc. > > If you look at the message, you will note that it is a bounce from the > WG co-chair's _personal_ email address, directly to your email > address. Actually, it bounces this way to all Av8 Internet Customers, not just to me. But it was a bounce to a message Mr. Austein posted on DNSOP. It was not private business. It was IETF business. Further, by reviewing the archives of DNSOP, I have found that Mr. Austein's home address is <sra+dnsop@xxxxxxxxxx>, which he has used exclusively for some time until March 1st of this year. He first started using the ISC.ORG address on a message involving draft-ietf-dnsop-inadr-required. Perhaps coincidentally, this draft is a pet project of Mr. Austeins, and one to which I (and many others) have raised serious objections regarding both misleading and incorrect content and procedural irregularities. The archives show that since March 1st, 2004, Mr. Austein has made all his DNSOP posts from sra@xxxxxxxx > I'd say that everyone has the right to choose what mail to accept (or > not to accept). They don't when they are conducting IETF business. IETF rules require that participants not be excluded from IETF activities. WG chairs and others cannot refuse email from participants. As Joe Abley revealed previously, this configuration from ISC.ORG isn't meant to actually block spam. The idea is to make Av8 Internet users have to seek other email addresses by which to contact them, and to obtain opportunities to defame Av8 Internet and perhaps others and convince users to seek other services. This is unlawful. Besides the defamation, it would is an illegal group boycott, and an unfair business practice. Refusing email is one thing, though that is still not permitted for IETF business. Defamation by claiming addresses are hijacked is quite another thing. This abuse of email addresses is unacceptable, and illegal, and I can engage legal action if necessary to prevent an organization like the IETF from permitting this abuse to continue. Mr. Austein cannot be allowed to use the ISC.ORG address for IETF business. > You might or might not have a point if this behaviour happened on an > IETF list, but that is not the case.. Actually, it is the case. This involves two IETF lists, and the conduct of an IETF representative on the DNSOP list. My republishing of Mr. Austein's defamation to the DNSOP and IETF list to make a complaint is a republishment for which Mr. Austein and the IETF are legally responsible under US defamation tort law. Mr Austein as a representative of the IETF defamed Av8 Internet to me, to the customers of Av8 Internet, and to the readership of both the IETF and DNSOP lists. Mr. Austein is a co-chair of the IETF working group. This defamation came about through IETF working group business. The IETF is responsible for the conduct of its representatives on its lists. It is unlawful to permit its representatives to use addresses which are configured to defame IETF participants, and it is against the IETF rules to refuse email from IETF participants. Dean Anderson President Av8 Internet, Inc _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf