On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 5:13 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 3:14 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:49 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:again, i'd say there's a lot of tilting at windmills still and not a lot of requirements list, that could be matched against both the current capabilities/misses and placement in the layer hierarchy.So what?Requirements make it easier to discuss solutions or direction.It's also easier to see which parts of those requirements do/don't work in today's world.I don't think SMTP is specific to the discussion, actually.
Erm, the part I had intended to respond to was 'you don't need any new technology to do any of the above, you just need your MUA to deny all mail except that which matches a regex <bob}alce|jane|jim> etc...'
If you are talking about regex you absolutely do not get it and you never will. This is not about making the Internet work for US.
Why not SMTP? Why not Xanadu? We could make Xanadu do that! No need for the Web. Just work on Xanadu! Xanadu, thats all you need, just make it work...
As for requirements analysis, sure, I have done a lot. And SMTP is kind of irrelevant because I am not building a replacement for SMTP. I am building an infrastructure that supports every mode of communication.
Alice meets Bob, they bump phones, they have each other in their contacts catalog.
Alice wants to phone Bob, she selects his contact, selects phone and a voice call is set up. Alice wants video, she selects video. Wants to send a short message, long message, 30TB of video, same interaction.
Every interaction, secured by end-to-end encryption and authentication.
Every interaction, subject to access control driven by the same policy source.
This doesn't work if Alice has to think which contact app to fire up for a particular modality or remember that if she sends it as a mail, it might not get through because of spam filtering or go to different apps to separately authorize Bob for voice, video, mail and messaging.
Dream small and you will never do anything of consequence. SMTP and the telephone system are dying. Many, many proprietary walled gardens have been successfully created. The notion that an open system could also succeed in the same way they have succeeded is not 'tilting at windmills', it is the only job that is worth our time here.
