> On 31 Oct 2021, at 21:12, Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On Oct 31, 2021, at 6:07 AM, Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >>>> On 31 Oct 2021, at 20:10, Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> But we have now become so fragmented that it's hard for us to discover new shared values or evolve the old ones. I used to call this the Tower of Babel effect, but it's much worse now than it was when I first saw it happening in the late 1990s >> >> You have an open git issue on a document, you can work on and resolve it without having to interact with anyone who might decrease your productivity. >> >> Get with the program. >> > > I don’t understand what you are trying to say. it's an observation on where any IETF list discussion is headed, reinforcing your comment. For example: "I think there's a problem in the design described by this document..." "well, if you have a real issue open a git issue on the document repository. we're not going to discuss technical document issues on this list." ...alluded to in a couple of git-related drafts I wrote. it's not just siloed in mailing lists, but discussion is now fragmented across document repositories and issue trackers. that system has no use for generalists or for cross-pollination of ideas. L.