On 10/31/21 4:37 AM, S Moonesamy wrote:
The text is old, but the problems with the old text became more evident relatively recently.For me a lot of the problem is that the word "professional" has many different meanings, and is therefore ambiguous.
As a point of information, the text was added in December 2013 based on feedback. I verified whether the change was in accordance with the "process" documents.
The IETF mailing list is no longer the marketplace of the IETF. It weakens the IETF.
I respectfully disagree that the ietf list weakens the IETF. I
think the IETF is much weaker now, much less able to address the
real needs of the Internet community.
The shared values is bound to change with newer participants. There are also changes outside the IETF which influence those values.
I agree with this much. But we have now become so fragmented
that it's hard for us to discover new shared values or evolve the
old ones. I used to call this the Tower of Babel effect, but
it's much worse now than it was when I first saw it happening in
the late 1990s.
Instead a poor substitute for values are imposed from above or by
external forces, neither of which serves the Internet user
community.
How can we move IETF forward so that it can actually become more inclusive rather than less, better able to consider diverse inputs than it is now? I'm pretty sure that efforts to marginalize "different" participants won't serve this purpose.
Keith
