> On 30 Oct 2021, at 22:42, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > as if amateurs were avinee brutes a better translation of that phrase is "drunken bullies". (Google Translate has an edge over Yandex, btw.) But really, if we're not working to advance the corporate interests of our employers, why are we even here? L. The name's Wood. Lloyd Wood. I'll have a vodka martini. shaken, not stirred.