Re: [arch-d] Why closed IAB workshops ? Re: Call for Papers: Workshop on Analyzing IETF Data (AID), 2021

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Just to add one point to Jari's excellent summary of recent practice. 

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 2:00 PM Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Toerless,

I am personally pretty firmly in the keep-things-open camp. But I’ll observe two things. First, as you saw there was some discussion about interactions where it has been believed that Chatham house rules have been useful. That has indeed been the case a few times, though certainly not needed for every event.

But as a frequent member of the program committees in these events, I want to highlight another point which may not be readily visible if you just look at the text of these workshop descriptions. Yes, these events are by invitation only, and there’s a request to send a position paper or abstract to the organisers, and based on that an invitation may be forthcoming. However, while this sounds quite closed, in practice for most of the events — particularly the virtual ones -- we tend to invite everyone who demonstrated that they were on topic and had thought about the matter enough to write a rational contribution. Perhaps not quite everyone every time, but still. And the program committees tend to use the contributions also for other things, such as deciding who we might ask to lead a session. IAB workshops generally aren’t everyone-presents-their-paper conferences, the papers are required reading before starting the actual workshop.

At the MARNEW IAB workshop (https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/marnew/), we had about three times as many submitted position papers as presentations, and at least some of the presentations summarized the position papers in a topic areas - so we had several position papers that talked about transport-level optimizations in wireless networks, and I summarized the problems various people were attacking, and led the discussion for that agenda item (my slides are here). So, it's not that you do a position paper that disappears, it's that the ideas in your position paper can have an impact on the workshop discussions and outcomes whether you present those ideas yourself or not. 

IIRC, the SEMI IAB workshop earlier that year (https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/semi/) did something similar, although I wasn't helping with that one. 

Best,

Spencer
 
We do want to generate discussion, however, so the general thrust is to ensure that we get a set of people together who can constructively discuss the topic and take it forward.

Jari

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