There has been much discussion about what the policy is when next week's random selection is performed and we are applying the limit of maximum 2 voting members per primary affiliation (per RFC8713). I will not judge whether different subsidiaries are internally independent or not. For the purposes of voting member affiliations I will err on the side of caution. So, for example, I would count Loon (well, if it was still active) and Google as part of Alpha, the different parts of Cisco as under that umbrella and Futurewei and Huawei as the same. Similarly, we have been equally careful with other volunteers whom we have had to disqualify because their employers appear on the list of contractors to the LLC (another reason for disqualification per RFC8713). Some of these individuals are not involved in any particular contracts with the LLC, but per the above considerations we must be extra careful and have had to unfortunately invalidate them. When it comes to issues of affiliation we must be consistent with this position. Not doing so would be careless and would not be fair to others we have already disqualified. Gabriel Montenegro NomCom Chair 2021-2022 nomcom-chair-2021 at ietf dot org