"Dr. Jeffrey Race" wrote: > I just want to move the > discussion from the present 'make the victims pay' model to the only > one that will ever work, viz. 'make the polluters pay'. This reminds me of that story where the purported polluter (the lamb) was downstream but was killed anyway by the enforcer (the lion who was drinking upstream)...because the "polluter" had no power to resist the enforcer, even though the "polluter" could not pollute upstream... The Internet is to the user and the SPs like that lamb is to that lion. The user is the weak party and we should not have a standard that, once again, leaves the weak party exposed under the assumption that the other party is somehow trusted. "Trust no one" should be the initial state of the solution, for any solution. BTW, how can we talk about "actions that have consequences" in terms of a technical solution that the IETF can pursue? The consequences are not technical. In addition, they would need to be arbitrated and we know how long, ineffective and expensive that can be. > It is fun, > easy to do, shows fast results, and is proven by thousands of years > of experience. ??? Cheers, Ed Gerck