> On 6 Apr 2021, at 21:58, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > but I also believe > that the IESG should consider not only whether there is consensus on the > charter text, but also the basic question whether this issue should be > handled by the IETF at all, rather than by the RFC Editor. There is a > strong case for the latter. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter Exactly my thoughts. We engineers are good at protocol engineering we should stick to that. The RFC Editor is good with words and for years have been quietly steering us toward better ways to express our thoughts. Let’s leave them to do that. As to inclusion and the supporting organisational change, there are professional experts out there that know far more than us, we should contract them to make a study and place recommendations before the IETF community. Let’s stick to our core competence and get help with the other stuff. - Stewart