On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:51:08AM -0700, S Moonesamy wrote: > The discussion is, on one hand, about freedom of expression, and on the FYI the discussion is not, for me, about freedom of expression, for we do not have a right to have the IETF publish our documents as RFCs. For me this is largely about how the proposed change is justified. Others care more about whether it is justified. It must be possible to offer serious arguments about the justification of the proposal. > other hand, which IETF Contributions can be published on the IETF web site. > There are similar discussions in other places [1][2]. At the individual > level, the author of one of the drafts stated that dissenting viewpoints > were ignored and that his intention was to put his dissent on record. Indeed, and that made satire a reasonable choice at this time, and it clearly has had an effect. Perhaps it even had the effect of causing the community to notice that some have had their arguments ignored or treated with condescention and moral disapproval without enough substantive discussion. Surely we want to take serious arguments seriously so that we may be taken seriously in return. Nico --