nsb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Nathaniel Borenstein) writes: > Paul: I don't know whether or not you want me to be able to send you > personal mail -- I'd hope so, but if not please imagine for a moment > that you do. I do, I do, I really do. Really. (I only wish that it were possible.) > Further imagine that you *aren't* serving as your own ISP (i.e. you're > not technical, you're not using the "real" Internet, you can't afford an > expensive connection, whatever.) I call you on the phone or fax you the > bounce message below and ask you how I can get email to you. What do you > do? It's a serious question, and it's not primarily about property > rights, it's about our right to choose to communicate with each other. > -- Nathaniel I'd tell you what I tell other AT&T Worldnet users -- switch ISP's, find someone who has an abuse desk and who rigorously defends their digital reputation. Or if necessary, put your e-mail at a more distant location and use IMAP and tunnels to "appear to come from" a more reputable location. > PS -- Are you really rejecting all mail from comcast.net? Just > curious, that's a lot of people. I think of them as AT&T Worldnet, who once upon a time had a pleasant and effective abuse desk, and who worked as diligently to keep spam from getting out as they did to keep it from coming in. I was very sad when that changed. >From 2001-05-07 through yesterday I have received 893 spams from your /16. (The number would be much higher if I weren't blackholing parts of the block; but I do not keep long term records of mail I never received.) > And if it's guppylake.com, it would have been nice if someone had told me > when I was blacklisted, seeing as how I'm the administrator. -- > Nathaniel Two things. (1) It's not a blacklist, it's a blackhole list. Senator McCarthy popularized one; MAPS popularized the other. One has to do with trying to prevent you from finding new consenting adults to associate with; the other has to do with preventing you from reaching already-nonconsenting adults. And (2), since I no longer publish a blackhole list and this is just my own private one, I would only notify the owner of a listed network if it suited my private purposes to do so, and in the case of AT&T Worldnet, I've already determined that they aren't listening to me, so it would not have suited any private purpose of mine to notify them about it. -- Paul Vixie