>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Keith> I've written code for a variety of environments like these Keith> for the last 13 years or so: gas pipeline monitoring, Keith> broadcast television operations, traffic signal Keith> monitoring/control, factory monitoring/automation, avionics, Keith> cryogenic dewar monitoring for various kinds of environments, Keith> and some others that don't come to mind immediately. For Keith> the environments I've worked with, any of that kind of stuff Keith> would be a non-starter. DNS is rightly seen as yet Keith> another reason for things to fail, and factories, gas Keith> pipelines, etc. are intolerant of lines being shut down Keith> because some IT guy wanted to use a name rather than an IP Keith> address. Static IPs work just fine for these situations. We're not really in agreement here. I suspect that was true 20 years ago. I suspect that was believed to be true 10 years ago, and was possibly true in important cases. But over time we've gotten better at providing redundant automated infrastructure for things like naming etc. I think we've reached a point now where the advantages of having naming outweigh the disadvantages. If for some reason that's still not true, the same infrastructure advances that make it plausible to provide infrastructure like naming in these environments also give you the mechanisms to go distribute a hosts file everywhere or to issue certs with a IP SAN if that's really how you want to go. I don't think there's much point in the two of us talking past this point: we are both appealing to our experience and the set of situations we've studied and we have reached conflicting conclusions. We've given our input; it's now time for others to chime in. Keith> Keith> External connections are also regarded as security Keith> Keith> threats I'm disappointed to see you bringing a red herring like this into the conversation. We were both explicitly talking about disconnected/intermittantly connected networks. Appealing to external connections would clearly not be the answer there.