Vernon Schryver writes: [] You know, it's quite elucidating seeing the banter about the subject of spam, especially between you and Paul but what strikes me more is the overarching dynamic going on: for (;;) { 1) proposal is made 2) proposal is classified into one of several general buckets 3) proposal is deconstructed by those who've seen this many many times 4) no silver bullet is uncovered } In the mean time, the exponential curve of spam keeps on moving along the X axis for ever greater values of X. So... instead of pointing out the obvious that there is no silver bullet, wouldn't it be a lot more productive to frame this debate in terms of what incremental steps could be taken to at least try to change the overall climate? To perhaps move things in a direction that might be in our favor? To perhaps be open to making some mistakes and/or no-ops? We know spammers are smart and adaptable. The problem is that in our paralysis, we are not. Mike