jseng@xxxxxxxxxxxx (James Seng) writes: > ... > FYI, I didnt get mbone since 1995 when I stop working for an ISP. I have > managed to get any of my current ISPs to get it either. It is time we > have to admit mbone is not going mainstream. today shep reminded me that we (shepfarm and isc, with help from cisco, juniper, procket, verio, and a cast of others) are supporting some number of mbone-like tunnels designed to glue otherwise disconnected "walled gardens" together, with touchdowns on fix-west, paix-sfba, and equinix-sj. naturally there'll be pressure toward (and aid offered toward) "going native", but other than that these tunnels are free of cost. "We *Can* Fix This." > ps: https://helixcommunity.org/ - Real player (or at least Helix, the > Open Source version of it) is available on multiplatform. if that increases the market for realnetworks' proprietary server-side products, and if realnetworks is still doing absolutely no confirmation on e-mail addresses they send bulk e-mail to, then i'll probably continue to boycott that application suite, no matter how free the players are. -- Paul Vixie