I should also note that my own message below that I quoted is hypocritical on my part. If the mail was IETF mail or other important email, I would have a different opinion. Of course, It was hypocritical of me to say that mail to others is any less important to its senders and recipients. I should not have encouraged this type of behavior. It shows that I too can be disgusted with things, and encourage an inappropriate response to stupid behavior. It is certainly something that one should try to avoid in oneself, and criticize in others. --Dean > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > > Verizon is trying to do a "sender verification test". This is a dumb > > idea whose time didn't come. But no matter. > > > > Here is a message from Randy Bush on the subject. I frequently disagree > > with Randy, but in this case, I think he has the right idea. > > > > --Dean > > > > > > ================= > > > > > I think he's saying that they were unable to perform the > > > validation hence the 450. If the validation was successful, > > > they'd return a 200 series code, if it was unsuccessful, they > > > would return a 500 series code. > > > > nice words, but crap. due to needs to spool mail for sites in > > countries with very poor connectivity, mail spool time here is > > quite long. if verizon and others seem unable to decide in weeks, > > why should i pay the penalty? > > > > but, i guess the problem is easily solved with exim config. i have > > set it so that if it can not deliver to verizon in say one hour, it > > dumps the mail. > > > > verizon.net * F,1h,5m > > > > life is simple, except for verizon users i guess. > > > > randy > > > >