Adrian, Thank you for your kind reminder: the IESG had an informal telechat yesterday and has approved the MADINAS non WG-forming BoF but I still have to send some more formal announcement. For MADINAS, we are still in search for a 2nd chair and for 2 presentations/participants from main OS vendors but the BoF will go. -éric -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Old Dog Consulting Reply-To: "adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, 30 October 2020 at 15:06 To: 'The IESG' <iesg@xxxxxxxx> Cc: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Subject: BoFs at IETF-109 Hi, I'm trying to plan my IETF week and my preparation time. I like to make it to as many BoFs as I can. I see from the minutes of the BoF Coordination Call held on 2020-10-09 [1] that MADINAS and APN were "provisionally approved" for IETF-109, and indicates a plan for more work to refine the scope of the BoFs. The BoF wiki [2] shows them both "tentatively approved" and notes them both as "non-WG forming" meaning, I think, that the intention was to provide a public forum for investigating the topic and seeing whether there was focus, work to be done, and support to move the discussion forward. The front page of the IETF site [4] mentions both BoFs with a pointer to a blog [5] that says that the "IESG approved two BOFs for scheduling at IETF 109, pending further refinements to the BOF proposals: MADINAS and APN." As of a few days ago, the IETF-109 agenda [3] showed both MADINAS and APN scheduled to meet, but checking back today I see that APN has disappeared. Is that just a snafu? I checked on the MADINAS and APN mailing list archives and I can't find anything to explain the status. The last message on the APN list is from the Secretariat saying a meeting has been scheduled [6], while the MADINAS BoF description points at the INT area list which also has no recent discussion about MADINAS after the Secretariat's post saying a meeting has been scheduled [7]. Could you please clarify the status of these two BoFs. Thanks, Adrian [1] https://www6.ietf.org/iesg/minutes/2020/bof-minutes-ietf-109.txt [2] https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ [4] https://www.ietf.org/ [5] https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf109-bofs/ [6] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/apn/eJHI1xlbxC9OGNvU_TwzWSBCx2g/ [7] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/int-area/3vhWU7xjxCJAogFeS1kQEzb-beU/