| Hi John
Yes we are paying for this. No there was no RFP as David is pretty much unique in this area. The cost is extremely small even with our time factored in and is independent of the number of subscribers so extending its availability to the entire community is the same cost as if we had kept it just for use by the comms team. The cost is so small that we are well into micromanagement if the community needs to be consulted about a cost of this magnitude.
Jay On 16/10/2020, at 8:14 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Greg,
Independent of and in addition to the questions and comments
about fact-checking and the importance of being extremely clear
that the collection is not representative of IETF positions or
perspective...
As interesting as I might find this (and I appreciate its being
routed to a separate mailing list with a separate archive), as
someone who would like to keep the direct costs to IETF
participants of participation as low as possible, a few
questions:
(1) With the understanding that I think David is a fine choice,
is he doing this without any direct or indirect compensation
from the IETF? If he is being compensated, did I miss the
announcement of the RFP? Given discussions on this list about
COI and other issues, if he is not being compensated
financially, does he have any expectation of receiving benefits
from making it public that the IETF has chosen him to do the
work and would the evolving LLC COI and participation policies
be relevant to that?
(2) More generally, has specific external funding been received
for all of the costs of this effort, costs that include your
time in overseeing it and the resources, however small, needed
to maintain mailing lists and archives ...funding that could not
be put to some other use?
I acknowledge that the costs are probably small and that the LLC
is able to decide to do things like this based on your
collective judgment of what is good for the community or what
the community would like if it were smart enough to ask, but, at
least IMO, it was never the intent when the LLC and the IASA2
structure were created that the LLC should be going around
figuring out interesting things to do, especially things that
have non-zero costs, portions of which may show up on the bottom
line (and hence in registration fees) without active
consultation with the community. Much the same concern applies
to the questions about accuracy and possible side-effects. So
this is part of my trying to figure out where and how the LLC
draws the boundaries between what is done because you
(collectively) think is good for the community, versus things
that are good for the company, versus things that, at best, come
from bottom-up community requests and input but at least result
from community consultation.
I'm concerned that asking questions about specific costs might
sounds like micromanagement but it isn't. Instead, it is a
question about strategic objectives about what things should be
done (and where initiatives for new efforts should come from)
and not about how, given decisions that they should be done, how
they are managed and funded.
best, john--On Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:04 -0400 Greg Wood<ghwood@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Hello,
With the aim of better tracking where, when, and how
IETF-related issues are presented in a variety of news outlets
and other online publications, we have set up a weekly email
to provide a collection of stories published around the world
curated by David Goldstein. [1]
Based on positive reactions so far, we are inviting anyone
from this list to sign up via:
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/newsclips
Archives are openly available and the preface to the first
edition from the test period provides a bit more background
about the approach:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/newsclips/4py4Y7OPXvJ9Mj
esGAZEGs8Oe0o/
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Feedback and suggestions are always welcome.
Sincerely,
-Greg
[1] https://goldsteinreport.com/about/
--
Greg Wood
ghwood@xxxxxxxx
+1-703-625-3917
-- Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director |
