>> Inclusion does not relieve you of the burden of convincing others that your proposals serve a unique, un-met need, are technically feasible, and are worthy of attention relative to all the other work going on at the IETF so as to build a sufficient core to move that work forward. I didn't mean that all members do the opposite, my proposals are clear since the beginning, but no official action has been taken which is out of my hand, I can go out easily and say this idea is bad without a technical proof, but that will not make my ideas count. >> That's not how any of this works. If an idea is bad, I expect engineers to say so. What we should not do is discount an idea based on the race, ethnicity, creed, etc. of those proposing it. I see no evidence that any such thing has happened in the IETF, at least since I've been participating. I agree with this, but some people don't want to let good ideas to go forward for their own reasoning, (agenda, hat, policy, setc) which shouldn't have a place here. Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Rose <krose@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:49 PM To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IETF Chair On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 2:10 PM Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I expect to see fair evaluation for ideas with no prejudice to a specific agenda or policy and the only one prejudice is for making the internet work better even if the idea will add a small difference, the most important is that it add something NEW with value. Inclusion does not relieve you of the burden of convincing others that your proposals serve a unique, un-met need, are technically feasible, and are worthy of attention relative to all the other work going on at the IETF so as to build a sufficient core to move that work forward. > I expect also that people respect ideas and if you have not something good to say, then avoid the discussion. That's not how any of this works. If an idea is bad, I expect engineers to say so. What we should not do is discount an idea based on the race, ethnicity, creed, etc. of those proposing it. I see no evidence that any such thing has happened in the IETF, at least since I've been participating. Indeed, one of the critical functions of the IETF (and, really, any SDO) is to discriminate: between good and bad ideas, productive and unproductive uses of time, between work that advances our shared values and work that opposes it. You will not get much support for rubber stamping anyone's proposals regardless of merit. Kyle
