RE: Call for comments: Proposals for exploratory IETF meetings

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Look, whether Sinai is in Asia or Africa, it still in Egypt, I'll not argue about it.

Why some people don't want to understand that we are looking for a place that can host the meeting successfully with all the requirements that the meeting needs, just to avoid waste of efforts and time. 

Khaled Omar

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:57 PM
To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx>; IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Call for comments: Proposals for exploratory IETF meetings



> On Aug 29, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi bob,
> 
> I still can't see any borders that states that Sinai is completely part of Asia.

It’s like Turkey that is part of Europe and Asia.   See:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-are-the-transcontinental-countries-of-our-world.html

Bob


> 
> KHALED OMAR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:34 PM
> To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx>; IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Call for comments: Proposals for exploratory IETF 
> meetings
> 
> Khaled,
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Peter is correct, Sharm El Sheikh is in Asia.
>> 
>> Giving Egypt a higher priority will be good, but as I'm here, I can say that Sharm El Sheikh is located in Sinai, and Sinai is located in Egypt, and Egypt is located in Africa.
>> 
>> Maybe you can consider Sinai as the border between Africa and Asia.
> 
> Sinai is in Asia, see:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_Peninsula
> 
> Egypt is in Africa and Asia.   One of the few countries in more than one continent.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>> 
>> Khaled Omar
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Hinden
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Call for comments: Proposals for exploratory IETF 
>> meetings
>> 
>>> Australia
>>> New Zealand
>>> Egypt
>> 
>> I also think we should consider all three countries.
>> 
>> Peter is correct, Sharm El Sheikh is in Asia.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Peter Yee <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, I think the IETF should consider all three locations. However, if Sharm El Sheikh is selected, it would nominally count as an Asian meeting.
>>> 
>>> 		-Peter
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of IETF Chair
>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 6:54 PM
>>> To: IETF-Announce
>>> Subject: Call for comments: Proposals for exploratory IETF meetings
>>> 
>>> RFC 8719 states that IETF meetings should rotate between North America, Europe, and Asia, according to the “1-1-1-*” policy. The “*” denotes an exploratory meeting outside of these three regions. The RFC also states that:
>>> 
>>> "Someone who is interested in pursuing an exploratory venue proposes it on the IETF discussion list or on a future discussion list expressly set up and announced for this purpose. The community gets to comment on the venue and offer their opinions. If the IETF chair determines that there is community consensus to pursue the venue further, the venue will be put up for discussion on the venue-selection mailing list <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/venue-selection>.”
>>> 
>>> There have recently been proposals [1][2] from members of the community to consider three exploratory venues:
>>> 
>>> Australia
>>> New Zealand
>>> Egypt
>>> 
>>> To establish whether there is community consensus to pursue any of these venues further, I am opening a call for comments on these venues. Please send your comments about whether the IETF should consider these venues for exploratory meetings to ietf@xxxxxxxx no later than September 18, 2020. Those who wish to send private feedback can address their comments to chair@xxxxxxxx instead. Comments that have already been sent to the list since the first proposal was made on August 24 do not need to be repeated and will be factored into the determination of consensus.
>>> 
>>> Note that this is merely the first step in a long process of meeting venue selection for an exploratory meeting, should consensus emerge. IETF meeting venues are typically booked up to four years in advance, and therefore the opportunity to schedule an exploratory meeting even if there is consensus to do so may not occur until several years from now. RFC 8718 has more details.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alissa Cooper
>>> IETF Chair
>>> 
>>> [1]
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/4khe-SkMn7yq673h-VmYDYkr2
>>> K
>>> Q
>>> / [2]
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/EUiU1rZNUYCVgcPPBNUVItfN8
>>> D
>>> k
>>> /
>>> 
>>> 
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