On Mon February 9 2004 18:57, Dean Anderson wrote: > The IEMMC was formed in May of 1997 between Cyberpromotions and AGIS > and some others. Its goal was to encourage voluntary spam labeling > and opt-out lists, and to work out a compromise on spam between the > advertising and technical community. ...which must necessarily consist of something MUCH better than labeling and opt-out, but that was pretty much their limit. Opt-out is a non-starter, so to speak. It was pretty clear to me that the IEMMC was basically a PR ploy, to delay any real action. IMNSHO, AGIS had no intention whatsoever of disconnecting, reining in, imposing conditions on, or in any other way not being a haven for spammers, so long as being a spamhaven was profitable. > One might say this is ancient history, but in fact, the IEMMC > position on spam was practically legislated in the CAN-SPAM act, Yup. Which means not that SPAM is in the CAN, but that spammers CAN SPAM. They just have to do a few things that the anti-spammers have recognized as useless (if not worse) for well over ten years. Long story short, CAN-SPAM is trying to pull the same wool over the public's eyes, that the IEMMC was trying to pull over the anti-spam community's. Unfortunately, John Q. Public can't tell the fine worsted wool it's being sold as, from the cheap polyester it really is.... Disclaimer: this doesn't mean that hacking Cyberpromo was "right"! I'm not one of your "radical abusers".... -- Dave Aronson, Senior Software Engineer, Secure Software Inc. Email me at: work (D0T) 2004 (@T) dja (D0T) mailme (D0T) org (Opinions above NOT those of securesw.com unless so stated!) WE'RE HIRING developers, auditors, and VP of Prof. Services.