John, I am not arguing that the business models are the same or that the IETF can make “everything free” in the long run. I am arguing (as have others), that the fee change happened rather quickly with not much community discussion or consensus. This would be an excellent time IMO to ask ISOC for additional support while we figure out the longer term strategy. With respect to the actual meeting income for f2f meetings, my understanding is that these come from both (usually) a major sponsor (called “The Host”) and of course the registration fees. This goes into paying for everything on site, ++ RPC etc. The expenses are clearly going to be different for online-only meeting. Ole > On 10 Jun 2020, at 18:17, John Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > In article <022051D6-7CD3-43CA-BD3C-511F7EFAC9E2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> you write: >>> One datapoint: The RIPE meeting which went "virtual" >> in May had *record* attendance (and no fee). >> >> I'd be interested to see how the RIPE funding model compares to = >> that of IETF.=20 > > RIPE's budget is on its web site: > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-735 > > Most of their revenue is membership fees, €35M of a €37M budget. > Meeting revenue was only budgeted at 235K so it wouldn't have been > much of a stretch to forego it. > > This is totally different from the IETF which has no members, no > membership fees, and gets a substantial fraction of its income from > meeting fees. > > I would be as happy as anyone else to have all of our meetings be free > to everyone but since the Money Faeries don't seem to be showering us > with free cash, if someone proposes we do that, they need to explain > how the budget will work. > > -- > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@xxxxxxxxx, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly > Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@xxxxxx E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: organdemo
