> From: "Tony Hain" <alh-ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Like it or not, the IETF must stop wasting time and effort building new > structures on a crumbling framework. I agree completely. Now, can we all agree that almost 10 years after it was formally adopted by the IETF, IPv6 is has clearly not succeeded in becoming the ubiquitous replacement for IPv4, and needs to be moved to "Historic", so we can turn our energy and attention to things that *will* succeed? Noel